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Does a thicker slab reduce radiant floor output? Concrete over the PEX from 1.2 to 3.1 inches, calculated

At 95 °F water, 6-inch spacing and tile, a radiant slab gives 13.9 Btu/h·ft² with 1.2 in of concrete over the PEX, 13.2 with 1.8 in and 11.7 with 3.1 in.

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Short answer: yes. At 95/86 °F supply and return water, 15 cm (5.9 in, the usual 6-inch) tubing spacing and tile, the floor gives 13.9 Btu/h·ft² with 30 mm (1.2 in) of concrete over the tubing, 13.2 Btu/h·ft² with 45 mm (1.8 in), 12.3 Btu/h·ft² with 65 mm (2.6 in) and 11.7 Btu/h·ft² with 80 mm (3.1 in). 3.1 in of cover instead of 1.8 in takes 11% of the output, more than laying wood instead of tile on the standard depth does.

A homeowner on HeatingHelp asked whether it matters if the PEX sits at the bottom of a 4-inch slab or in the middle. Most replies on slab thickness are about warm-up time and thermal lag. What an extra inch of concrete over the tubing costs in steady output rarely gets a number, yet it can be calculated.

These figures are for hydronic tubing embedded in concrete: a slab or a thin slab poured over the tubing (the EN 1264 "type A" floor). Staple-up, joist-space, plate and panel systems under a wood subfloor are not calculated by HeatAlgo.

Why concrete over the tubing costs output

Heat from the tubing has to pass through the concrete to the floor covering and on into the room. Every bit of concrete above the tube is extra resistance on that path, just like the covering. The EN 1264-2:2021 characteristic treats both the same way: with the same water, more cover means fewer Btu/h per square foot in the room.

The calculation uses a cement-based mix that conducts heat at λ = 1.2 W/(m·K). At that conductivity, 35 mm (1.4 in) more of it adds a resistance of 0.03 m²K/W. That is less than the 0.10 m²K/W tile is designed with, but it sits on the same path, under the covering.

Concrete over the tubingFloor output, tile, 95/86 °F, 6 in
1.2 in (30 mm)13.9 Btu/h·ft²
1.8 in (45 mm), HeatAlgo's default13.2 Btu/h·ft²
2.6 in (65 mm)12.3 Btu/h·ft²
3.1 in (80 mm)11.7 Btu/h·ft²
For comparison: wood on 1.8 in12.2 Btu/h·ft²

Calculated with 16 mm (5/8 in OD, the size of 1/2-inch PEX) tubing in a 68 °F room.

What that means in practice

3.1 in of cover instead of 1.8 in costs 1.5 Btu/h·ft², or 11%. Swapping tile for wood on the standard depth costs 0.9 Btu/h·ft² (2.9 W/m²; the table rounds each row, so it reads as 1.0). Extra concrete usually goes in without a word about output; a wood floor only after a long discussion.

Option, tile, 68 °F roomOutput
1.8 in cover, 6 in on center, 95/86 °F13.2 Btu/h·ft²
3.1 in cover, 6 in on center, 95/86 °F11.7 Btu/h·ft²
3.1 in cover, 4 in on center, 95/86 °F12.8 Btu/h·ft²
3.1 in cover, 6 in on center, 97.7/88.7 °F13.1 Btu/h·ft²

Tighter spacing does not win it all back: 10 cm (3.9 in, so 4 in on center) under 3.1 in gives 12.8 Btu/h·ft², less than ordinary 6-inch spacing under 1.8 in. Only water about 2.7 °F warmer does, and with a heat pump that means a slightly higher water temperature all season.

For the bottom-versus-middle question, the same logic applies: tubing tied up in the middle of a slab sits under less concrete than tubing lying on the insulation at the bottom, and the table shows the direction and the size of the effect per inch of cover.

What this number does not show

The calculation is steady output on a cold design day. It does not show how long a thicker slab takes to warm up and cool down. That is a question about thermal mass, which HeatAlgo does not calculate. A gypsum-based thin slab (gypcrete) conducts heat differently from the cement-based mix used here, so these figures do not apply to it; panel systems come with their manufacturer's output. How output depends on the covering and the spacing is in the guide on radiant floor heating water temperature.

What to check before the pour

  • The depth over the tubing, not the whole slab. Drawings and crews often quote the full pour. What counts for output is the concrete above the tube: with 5/8 in OD tubing and a 2.4 in (6 cm) pour, that is about 1.7 in (44 mm).
  • Where extra depth comes from. Usually an uneven base or services run in the floor. Making up height with insulation rather than concrete costs no output.
  • Whether the design uses that depth. The floor output should be calculated for the agreed cover, not a default, and compared with each room's heat loss from the contractor's room-by-room load calculation.
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Frequently asked questions

Does more concrete over the PEX reduce radiant floor output?

Yes. At 95/86 °F supply and return water, 6-inch spacing and tile, HeatAlgo calculates 13.9 Btu/h·ft² with 1.2 in of concrete over the tubing, 13.2 with 1.8 in, 12.3 with 2.6 in and 11.7 with 3.1 in. Going from 1.8 to 3.1 in costs 11% of the output from the same water, more than putting wood instead of tile on the standard depth.

Does it matter if the PEX is at the bottom of the slab or in the middle?

For output, yes: what counts is the concrete above the tubing, not the slab's total thickness. Tubing at the bottom of a slab sits under more concrete than tubing tied up in the middle, so the same water gives fewer Btu/h per square foot. In HeatAlgo's calculation each extra inch of cover costs output steadily, from 13.9 Btu/h·ft² at 1.2 in down to 11.7 at 3.1 in.

How do you get the output back with thick concrete over the tubing?

With warmer water. With 3.1 in of concrete over the tubing, the floor gives nearly what it gives with 1.8 in only at about 97.7/88.7 °F, 2.7 °F warmer. Tighter spacing alone is not enough: 4 in on center under 3.1 in gives 12.8 Btu/h·ft², still less than 6 in on center under 1.8 in.

Does a thicker slab make radiant heat slower to respond?

More concrete stores more heat, so it takes longer to warm up and cool down, and that is the question most slab-thickness threads are really about. HeatAlgo does not calculate warm-up time or thermal mass. Its figures are steady-state output on a cold design day, which is what decides whether the floor covers the room's heat loss at a given water temperature.

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